xeno
Second Lieutenant   Posts: 26 Registered: 1/19/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 12/13/2004 at 08:54 |
Hi there!!!
Well, fellas it might sound silly  but have
you ever asked yourselves what is the reason
we play solos?
Is it just to show off or we really need to express something?
For axample:Was listening to Hotel California last night and
the great thing about the solo is that every note counts.
The guitars talk to you!!! It simply adds another dimension
to the story. Or the story goes on with the guitars narrating
the rest of it. Absolutely fantastic piece of art.
While there are so many other songs out there
that the contribution of the guitar solo is meaningless,
without feelings, expressions etc.
I know we are guitar players BUT..
I believe you have to mean something when you
play. What we have in our hands is a means of
expressing emotions not just sounds.
What do you think???
Thanks.
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metallica1432
Second Lieutenant  Posts: 78 Registered: 10/7/2004 Status: Offline |
 posted on 12/13/2004 at 12:00, Reply 1 |
Very well put, my friend. It tells a story about the true meaning of the
song. The solo that came directly to mind wen i read this topic was the
solo hammett performed on the song My Friend of Misery on the self-titled
"Black" Album. It really comes from the heart. James wrote it perfectly
to show the true misery he felt. It truely felt like the guitar was
talking to me. Like it was written just for me. Many others come to mind
but this one is the first. Thats my opinion tho.
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ricoboc
Moderator   Posts: 278 Registered: 4/27/2004 Status: Offline |
posted on 12/13/2004 at 12:07, Reply 2 |
When you consider that one mans garbage is another mans treasure, then what
you say holds little merrit. We all have different ways of expressing
ourselfs. An agressive personality may like to speed up and down the fret
board, while a laid back individual may be more into grabbing notes and
holding them for an hour. It's really all about the individual. There is no
right or wrong way to express one's self artistically.
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metallica1432
Second Lieutenant Posts: 78 Registered: 10/7/2004 Status: Offline |
posted on 12/13/2004 at 12:18, Reply 3 |
I never said that the more complex the solo the more meaning it has, i
simply said that a solo that spoke to me in a very unique way. There are
other solos that speak to me also, such as the one by nirvana, The Man Who
Sold The World. Extremely simple yet o so beautiful. Thats wut i
think.
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Spidercents
Moderator  Posts: 1019 Registered: 7/29/2004 Status: Offline |
posted on 12/13/2004 at 17:55, Reply 4 |
Well Im sure hotel california was not a one take solo...They probably
played a number of riffs on that song that didnt make it...Then hand picked
each phrase to fit just right...I think producing would of been key on this
song...I love the solo by the way however i cant listen to it to much
anymore because Ive worn out on it.
Regardless of fast or slow playing its the choice of notes that counts...I
used to play fast however I dont any more because of the energy level it
requires...A lot of work...Cheers to ya...
I like retro 60's to early 90's soloing...No one I hear on the radio can
play with any emotion any more...Im not impressed at all...useless
Why do we need to solo...Because when its done right everyone who plays
guitar says man how did they do that...I have to learn it man...When its
not done right it is worthless...like most of the stuff on the radio
today...I wish people would actually learn how to play...I dont know how
many live acts Ive seen on all the talk shows at night and not one
impresses me...Go back and learn your instruments before you become a
star...I blame the record companies...just like everything else these days
its been dumbed down for eveyone to understand...What a joke?
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ricoboc
Moderator Posts: 278 Registered: 4/27/2004 Status: Offline |
posted on 12/14/2004 at 02:55, Reply 5 |
Metalica,
I was responding to the original post in general. I for one like fast
articulate playing. I'm not into the blusey "Hey man, I play with feeling."
stuff. I feel anyone who plays is playing with feeling. People just express
them selfs in various ways. I simply implied that there is no such thing as
a right or wrong way to approch playing. It's up to the individual to
decide.
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xeno
Second Lieutenant Posts: 26 Registered: 1/19/2004 Status: Offline |
posted on 12/14/2004 at 07:36, Reply 6 |
:no: Oh no my friends.
There IS right and wrong like there is good and bad
song writting and performance.
Let me ask you...
Was Jimi Hendrix a good guitar player or not??
I'm focusing on good and bad, not like or dislike.
Now what about that old Motley Crue guitarist??
Is there a difference between them?
Don't confuse different styles of music
with good and bad music.
What we don't understand-like- doesn't mean is not good.
I don't like Steve Vai's music but i know he is a well respected
musician with years of studying etc...
Only the record companies like this grey area of
music where everything depends on ones opinion.
By the way, the Hotel California example was
just a popular song to start the topic. 
Yes ricoboc my friend, everyone plays with feeling.
But not everyone can play good guitar.
The question remains...
To solo or not to solo?????????????
Thanks.
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Spidercents
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posted on 12/14/2004 at 07:52, Reply 7 |
| Good or bad/like or dislike go hand in hand...you cant have one without the
other...Hendrix was not that great live...I think his producers had a lot
to do with his success...Yes we should solo if it has something to
say...Not just wanking for the sake of wanking...Yes there should be
soloing however I think better musicians and better producers would help
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JohnL
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posted on 12/14/2004 at 17:32, Reply 8 |
The only reason Hendrix's live performance sounds a little more "raw" is
because in the studio he used to do hundreds of takes on some songs and
work on one song for days and days. It may also sound a little more "raw"
live because he was'nt afraid to let loose rather than staying playing more
conservative. Thats what I think atleast.
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Spidercents
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posted on 12/14/2004 at 20:44, Reply 9 |
I agree...Also equipment was inferior...Guitar would not stay in tune and
technology was not as advanced as it is now in a live sense...In the Studio
there was more control of the sound...Ive listened to live albums of
hendrix and I didnt like it that much.
The backwards guitar was invented by the sound guys in the studio not by
hendrix...Thats what I've read anyway...
As far as this thread goes I feel there should be lead guitar/solo if the
song calls for it...sometimes a cool riff is all a song needs...We dont
want to be to predictable...verse verse...chorus...verse
verse...chorus...SOLO...
The music that speaks to me was not done in one take but many takes and
then glued together to form a masterpiece...The guys in the studio have a
lot to do with these great classic tunes.
I want to know what you think of the radio music of today...I cant find one
band I like...not one..nil..notta...zilch...
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