Metallica has obviosly been a great disappointment with st anger. But can they still return? My opinion is probably not. James has already gone to rehab.. The damage is already done. There is nothing more to fuel the ifre. His voice has really gone downhill. He has also shared the song writing load with the rest of the band and theirproducer, Bob Rock. They all suck, except for Lars Ulrich. They also tried to be a new band and fit in. In doing so it is my opinion that they lost a lot of loyal fans. Not including me though. What do y'all think?

Peace and Rock

Hey- I don't know much about Metallica but I would like to. I'm new on this site. Can you recommend some of their good/classic songs for me to listen to? Thanks, much appreciated.

I recommend these albums...Ride the Lightning,Master of puppets,And Justice for All.

I havent liked metallica since And justice for all...They lost me after that.

i recomend the black album. i think it is the best album.. After that i would have to say and justice, and then Master of Puppets, then ride the lighting, then Garage Day Revisited (NOT Garage Inc). They also have S&M which is a concert with a concert which contains two new songs; -Human and No Leaf Clover. I dont consider st anger a good CD AT ALL.

if you wanna kno anything just holla

Peace and Rock

[Edited on 3/26/2008 by metallica1432]

I think it's the naspter thing that killed em'
Sure they will continue to release killer metal tunes, they just lost alot of fans. Lars is an pure a**


No band last forever unless your Aerosmith

Heres the beginning to the song master of puppets for any one who want to learn it.

Fast rock=120

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i dont really like aerosmith at all. It wasnt the napster ordeal that had them lose a lot of fans, it was st anger and the fact that they turned into a wuss band. They are working on a new album. i THINK IT IS POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO GO BAK TO THE KILLER STUFF THEY HAD BEFORE, BUT UNLIKELY. dOES ANYONE ELSE NOTICE A REAL BAD SOUND QUALITY on St anger, and do u think the new album will be good?

Peace and Rock

They can write better songs again...I think they tried something new and it didnt work...They will come right back with a killer album...Alot of bands have total stinkers...Then they make up for it with new albums...They tried something new...It didnt work...Sometimes it works and sometimes it dosent.

Im wondering if slipping albums sales encouraged this change in sound.

You raise a very good point. I meant that there is a bad sound quality in st anger. It sounds like it is a bad download from kazaa or something. I think they got very lazy with this album. almost nothing rhymes and his voice sound like hes talking. Ex/ Some Kind of Monster. Its a toss up if the new album will b a hit or not.

Peace and Rock

From what I know metallica has had some problems in their personal lives. Besides that they got a bassist which will bring a new sound.

I agree I think they tried a new thing that bombed the next album will be better I'm sure.


Regardless of what they release just download it on the internet and watch Lars freak out. They really let their fans down here in the States and then turn and have a free mp3 download festival in Germany. I lost all respct for them personally. Without your fans your nobody. I think the low album sales of St. Anger album
made this very point. Nothing worse then a crybaby rock star millionaire. They could also be sitting in a run down apartment flat broke eating grilled cheese sandwiches

i disagree that the bassist brought a new sound. He had no part in the writing of the songs in st anger. He is simply performance. Whether or not he will have a part in the writing of their new album is beyond me. It doesnt seem to me tho that he fits in very much with the band. Thats just me tho.

Peace and Rock

Just listen to the tunes with Cliff then with Jason and now the new guy. Different sounds to me. Jason left because he didn't get the freedom of input.

In general any new member in band will change things.
Maybe they should get some bass loops :giggly:

Metallica came in created a heavy sound like medadeth,slayer etc...

New bands are taking that further like God Smack,Korn and so on.

Is Metallica done for? Have they ran out of ideas? Who knows
they may hang in there like the Rolling Stones

I rather listen to a band like Dream Theater any day.
These guys are all monsters musicians

The new bass player will play on the new album...He didnt play on st anger...Their next album will be better...It cant get any worse...I think we seen rock bottom.

i dont think they can come bak. they betrayed their fans. they officialy suk

Metallica has done it before...I havent bought any of their albums since and justice for all...There were alot of fans just like me who didnt listen to the new metallica...So what happened...They attracted a whole new set of fans with their more simple approach to their songs...The songs got shorter too and less complicated...Dont get me wrong I like some of the modern metallica however I never bought it...I like it and I dont...I should listen to a whole album however the hits I didnt care for much...And the lead guitar was not as complicated...Nothing new for me to learn on guitar...They did it once and they can do it again...As far as the download thing goes...I think music costs to much...Yet we have to pay the artists/record companies or there wont be any new money from CD sales to make new records...The industry would die.

James voice will never be the same tho. He quit drinking and smoking. His drinking and the pains of his lost mother fueled a lot of the fire. His smoking gave him that awsome ruogh voice and badass sound. Now he sounds like an out of tune skool child just learning how to sing. i think he has mourned and made things right with his mom as well. i just think they are trying to force a come-bak that perhaps wasnt meant to be. In s ome ways i think they should have just let their legacy be without fooling around with it and trying to reek in as much fames and $$$ as possible. The guys r getting old too. Some times you just gotta kno wen to quit and let it be. Thats my opinion tho.

Peace and Rock

Time will tell

Time isnt exactly on metallicas side. I think this next album is one of their last chances.

Peace and Rock

Metallica has lacked since Justice. They will need to make a record with writing on par with Justice, but with waaaaaaaaay better production to win me back.

They lost me after justice also.

Come on...I've been reading this thread and trying to bite my tongue.
Metalica are a bunch of old guys now...it's over! Just like the Stones or anyone else who keeps pushing on, it becomes tired and very old. The Metals been knocked out of them. Age will do this.
I use to have long hair at one time also...I could bang my head with the best of them...all thats in the past for this band.

I,ve always been a big metallica fan my favorite's are from ride the lighting to and justice.seems like they put more in to every song back then.I think maybe back then they just had the excitement of being one of the big up and comeing bands playing with there rock heros.now there just burnt out they have already done everything.It seems like things really took a turn for the worst when they all took that first major break after the black album.I think they have the creative talent to make a come back,they will just have to get focused again and excited about the music.they've already made there big mark in music history now they should just let out doing what they've already done be what drives them.

[Edited on 11/7/2004 by wess]

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Come on...I've been reading this thread and trying to bite my tongue.
Metalica are a bunch of old guys now...it's over! Just like the Stones or anyone else who keeps pushing on, it becomes tired and very old. The Metals been knocked out of them. Age will do this.
I use to have long hair at one time also...I could bang my head with the best of them...all thats in the past for this band.

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Yes they are old....these guys are no longer in there 20,s...Lars is what 40 now? Metal is for the young my friend...a 40 year old banging his head just looks STUPID!

I think anyone who bangs there head looks stupid...I always thought that...Even when I was a teen and into metal I never banged my head...

40 is the new 30...Who says metal is for the young...Peace

[Edited on 11/8/2004 by Spidercents]

Spidy,
It goes without saying.
The majority of sales in the metal market are from teens and young adults....do you think teens want to watch or listen to what 40 plus year olds have to say.
Generation gap my friend...just an unwritten law.

[Edited on 11/8/2004 by ricoboc]

I agree that your right...sadly...Thats is what is wrong with music today...All the musicians are young and are not that good...Video did kill the radio star...I think that needs to change before music gets good again...Frankly I think older musicians are better and more seasoned...Its very rare to find young talented entertainers.

Im sad to say your right ricoboc...It wasnt always this way was it?

Glad to see this one back. ric, 40 is not old if u like the classics. Metal is for all ages. i was on the metallica site and i saw that james was scheduled to play on CMT Outlaws. So i decided to look in to it to c if his voice had improved. Man, he sounds quite supurb now compared to st anger. i now think that the guys still have it. The new album is scheduled for release sometime mid to late next year and i think it will be better than st anger. Whether or not they got enough to go back to load and reload caliber stuff is not for me to tell. james looks just like he did wen i saw them at s & m. They arent old. Look at the guys of van halen, theyre older than the guys of metallica and they r bak. Personally i dont like theyre new stuff but i kno people that do. i think tho that james should take commmand over the song writing again. He wrote almost all theyre previous songs with lars and that stuff rocked. Now theyre lettin kirk and theyre manager Bob Rock help and it is simply hurting them in my opinion. I heard via gossip that the guys are doin major reparations on theyre studio for sound quality purposes. I think they r on the road to making a good comebak a great one. Thats my opinion tho.

Peace and Rock

also, i somewhat agree with wess.

Peace and Rock

I agree that they can still come back...never say never.

Just thought I'd post my opinion. Metal is not for all ages. Metal was about rebellion and teen age angst. If your still rebeling at 40 then god bless you man.

I never listened to metal as a teen because I wanted to rebell...I just liked listening to it and trying to learn it on guitar...The term rebellion is one of those media buzz words that try to describe why teens like or do what they do...I dont buy the rebellion thing...They just like the music...Just my opinion...If your 40 and still like the metal you grew up on then whats wrong with that...There is no expiry date for liking something...If you like it then you like it regardless of ones age.If you like something at 17...And 23 years later at 40 you still like it...I dont see why you have to change because of your age...Peace

i agree with spider. Metal isnt about rebellion or any crap like that. I listened to it and still do because i was impressed with their skills and wanted be just like them. I didnt wanna rebel against any1. These guys dont wanna either. Sure they say the gov't and justice system is corrupt and there is some truth to that. But that doesnt meen theyre gonna rebel or anything. They sing what sells and that kinda stuff sold and to a certain point still sells today. Metal is for all ages.

Peace and Rock

They write about the corrupt goverment beacuse they are corrupt.They write about topics and issues of the day...Thats not rebellion...Thats just having an opinion and expressing it...Peace

i DISAGREE....SO BE IT....METALICA IS OVER...IT SHOWS

No one really knows if they will make a comeback anyway...We are all just guessing...Your guess is as good as mine.

Yeah, I really am not a fan of Metallica. But I respect them. They tried something different and in my eyes that makes them artists. Their music isn't my taste but They are a REAL band and a pretty nice live show.

Mettalica were a good band when they were underground, unfortunatly I think the "fire" went out when they got money and tried writting the songs to sell instead of making music. Now they are as underground and as cutting edge as the Spice Girls.

That aside I still think that they have some great tunes and they are all fantastic musicians.

P.S. Black album was the beginning of the end.

Rock on, Rock hard and Rock heavy!!!

has anyone heard something about metallica getting together with linkin park? I personally thing its pretty gay. Linkin park shouldnt even be mentioned in the same sentance with linkin park. ive been to 4 concerts since the release of st anger. They have been great with godsmack. Godsmack is a crazy group and their albums are a million times better than st anger. The madly in anger tour was great. Linkin park tour on the other hand will be horrible. Thats just my opinion tho.

Peace and Rock

You yankin' me third one, pal? Linkin Park?? Ah well I suppose that it works, crap band with crap band. It has a sense of justice in it.

Here's my thoughts:

1. St. Anger was a contract obligation to put out an album by a certain deadline, hence the mediocre riffs and lyrics.

2. The "bad sound" on St. Anger is up for grabs. To me it sounds like they didn't rely on the ESP lineup of guitars and tried some of the moldy oldies. Personally I kinda like the more raw guitar sound.

3. The only exception to #2 is Lars' snare drum. Not a good sound.

4. I think the Black album was the start of a different path they tried to take, followed by Load and Reload. Good stuff, but certainly not their best.

5. The S&M album totally creams my twinkie. That was definitely a step back in the right direction. I hope they do another S&M and include Fade to Black, Unforgiven, and Orion in the lineup.

6. Don't be so quick to write them off. I have a feeling they'll be back with a vengeance.

The main thing is ther'es new bands taking what Metallica did and making it heavier with better vocals. Like I said before no band lasts forever. They made their mark, now they should retire before they get any worse :giggly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb699wy-cnQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ADP_eDAuhg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZi15-Ke5xs&search=

Enjoy!

I don't like it.

And i think that the new album won't be something spectacular.


[Edited on 6/14/2006 by Hollow_imagination]

All there songs just run together to me.

Well the majority agrees the black album was the begining of the end. It was the last album of theres I perchused without hearing it first. Fatstrat hit it right on the button with the contract deadline issue. Major record lables only want to make money not music. Look at MTV... a prime example of how a good thing can go bad. In the 80's MTV played music videos 96% of the time , now after 91 its just a bunch of fake reality shows and soft core porn. There origonal fan base is gone or struggling with VH1 , "also owned my MTV". MTV made a right move and are maken quadtrouple fat bling bling but it is not what it once was.

But back on track...... Metallica may or may not be dead but the band members may brake there own ways and do great things in the future. In the end im a firm beliver that major record labels kill artists as easly as they push em to the main stream. All I have to say is get your conract, put out your music , get your fan base then INVEST that money into your own record production or go to one that isnt so darn corrupt. After that you hold the riegns. I mean they are YOURE FANS.... Frank zappa did it , the Beatles did it Goerge Lucas did it and many more. Fans care about the band , not the record label.
Ya i know goerge lucas is in the motion picture entertainment but I can assure you Jar Jar binx would not have been in those star war movies if goerge was in total control of the production at the time. He even said so during a segmant on the history channel on the "history of star wars". "I hate to say it but i became the entity I once disliked so much: GL.
You can easly tell that star wars 3 felt a hell of alot more like star wars four and five and that becouse goerge finnaly got ALL the rights to star wars.
Anyways, like said before, time will only tell. The only people Lars and the rest of the band have anything to ***** about is them selfs and the path they chose. Weather it was contract issues or if they just decieded to take a sudden step into another musical dirrection, Metallica's music has changed. I have heard little good about it.

[Edited on 12/23/2007 by stinkybeagle]

A Real Metallica Fan never stops being loyal. Instead of putting them down, and growing apart from them, why not grow with them and enjoy all the different styles that one band can do, other than the same boring thing over and over..... that's what a REAL METALLICA FAN would do and they still have so many fans it's unreal, so one unhappy person, is just a dot on the list that they're not worried about. You only make yourself unhappy, and if you can do so much better, form your own band, and then win Grammys and awards as much as them, after that you may have a chance to put down their music. In other words, if you don't like it don't listen, but don't complain b/c then you're not a real fan.

I like to see bands keep on rocking even when their older. It's not like sports. You could be very old and still rock on guitar!
Why not? But back to the topic at hand. I did not know that metallica "had" a new album. that is how popular it is. I imagine that it sounds like all the others. Most of their songs sound too muck alike. They found what worked and they were going to stay with it!

I see no reason to applaud metallica on ****ty music just because I want to call myself a fan. I am not a fan of the members of metallica, in fact i am disgusted. They are the definition of greed selfishness in America. I am not even talking about the Napster thing. I am talking more about the beliefs and values they seem to have. Money is not everything but I think James and Lars have been consumed by it. They pretty much own Metallica and treat it like some kind of brand name that can be exploited. Along their early career they had aspects of their lives that added darkness to their music. Cliff Burton's death, the alcohol abuse, James' memories of a very disfunctional family all keyed into the lyrics and music. Now they are just guys with a wife and kids. I am not saying that the fact that they have settled down has destroyed their fire, I just think that it is rediculous that they are still trying to write music about their frustration and self angst.

If you still like Metallica then that is completely fine but their music is not as musicly and poetically complex as it used to be.

Peace and Rock

Hey, Metallica1432 check out my new thread on enter sandman.
What do you think?





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shouldn't this be a PM, btw?

i don't know...never really cared much for Metallica