So how does Jimmy Page stand on your list. Do you like his playing? Sound? Songwriting?

YES I LOVE JIMMY PAGE GREATEST EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!! but umm thanks for giving me credit for coming up with the idea for this post! nah i dont care.

JIMMY PAGE IS THE GREATEST!!!!!!!!!

I like jimmy in led zeppelin.However after zep I havent liked anything hes has done.I loved zep at one time however have worn out on it.I listend to it way to much.Jimmy is not that great of a player live.On the song remains the same everyone played well except for jimmy who I thought struggled thruogh the whole concert.John bonams drums were to loud,however john played well.John was the band.Without his drum riffs and timings 75% of Zeps songs would never of been wrote.He brought the best out of jimmy which nobody else has done to this day.Jimmy is a studio genious and can capture moments on tape most of us forget to do.So hes a great player in the studio sense.I think of him as more of a producer than a great guitar player.I think he recorded everthing he played and had great moments that were captured that might never come again.So for that hes great.

you must be a drummer! thats ok tho.

page and bonam were a great pair. which probably explains why you didnt like jimmy after zeppelin. bonam (which i think is actually spelled bonham, but ill continue to spell it this way) worked off of page as well. a great example of this is"the ocean". the drums (snare especially) song fit perfect in that song. and if im correst page came up with the opening riff before bonam wrote the drum part. (which is usually how most songs are made guitar part then drums)

theres a chance that when you saw zep page was drunk. they were a haevy drinking band .bonham drank himself to death. and it sounds to me that you are judging jimmy on his performance after zeppelin. just because you dont liek his music doesnt mean he wasnt a great player. but this topic is different from the one i had previopusly posted which simply asked does he make your top 10 list. but thats ok. i love zep which is probably why im defending page so much. that and this one dvd i saw page playing his fingers where flying all over the palce amazing speed, and he didnt miss a note.

o yeah i forgot stairway to heaven. dont try to tell me that the every drummer takes time to learn the amazing drum part in that song. every single person on the face of the earth could hum you that song. the truth is theres no zeppelin song where the drum parts made the song or were just real memorable, maybe rock n roll, but if you ask me that drum solo just annoys me.

jimmy page drove zeppelin!

He dosent play well live drunk or not.Drummers do learn stairway.
I like Jimmy in zep.Anything else like outrider(I think thats the name) or whatever is not that good to me.Bohnams playing was the key to the band.Robert Plant will tell you that.I'm not discrediting jimmy on any riffs or licks.Like I said he probably recorded everything he did.I thought jimmy was the greatest at one time too.However I now realize the impact john bohnams drumming was.He was the backbone of zep.I'm not discrediting anything jimmy wrote.I didnt say anything to make you think that.I'm not a drummer.Guitar is my thing.Hopfully youll see the impact his drumming had on jimmys playing and vice versa of course.John fed off of jimmy to however the timings that john had took it to a place that no one else could.The bass player was very good too.He dosent get enough credit.

Jimmy was very inventive and has left his mark on the guitar world. It's all 4 that made the band not just one guy. Team work!

Guitar 101 has said it best.All 4.

Out of ten I rate Jimmy like this

His Album play-# 8 to # 10 out of ten

His live playing-#bad #really bad

I cant listen to the song remains the same because his playing is so bad.I believe I read A quote from Eddie van Halen that said Jimmy played like a five year old when playing live.I agree.

i listened to botth the live and studio versions of the song remains the same, and with an exception to some fans screaming and some extra feedback (nothing to serious) it was the same.

jimmy page is a great guitar player 10 out of 10. anyways i think your jealous of his performance in the song remains the same. i bet you cant even play it.

I don't mean to be rude Spidercents, but you're talking poop.
I have the most recent Led Zep DVD that covers footage from the entire span of thier career and there's sweet FA wrong with his live performances.

I live Jimmy Page becase the best Led Zep stuff was recorded on a Telecaster.
1.Stairway to heaven
2.Communication brakdown
3.Dazed and confused
and so on. :giggly:

Jimmy Page was great just sloppy. 4 out of 5 in my book

Jimmy Page? Naaahhhh. Not on my top list

I like Jeff Beck,Eric Clapton better

Zep had some cool songs though

Jimmy Page created the most popular hard rock band ever. For that alone he's one of the greatest.

Forever is a long time as someone will always come along to kick the next guys A**

When I sit down to learn some new licks Jimmy Page has never came to mind. How about you guys.

I forgot to mention he was a great song writer.

Brian, he may be sloppy, but precision doesn't make you a great player :no:

Like my nomination of Jeff Buckley, not a shredder, but still a great player.

We need to get away from thinking of heavy metal shredding and playing fast in general as being good.
I think it's more about communicating with the listener/audience than technical proficiency.
But it's all a matter of opinion

i knew i wasnt the only one who thought jimmy page was the greatest. spidercents lay off the drugs.

Enough with the get off of drugs and your talking poop stuff.Its to passive agressive.We all have opinions and were entitled to them.I said I liked Jimmy(Hello)Im basicly saying the drummer and the rest of the band had alot to do with the writing of the songs.Not every one agreed with you ChrisC.You only here what you want to here and forget the rest.I think the whole disscussion went over your head.Jimmy is a sloppy player.

Before you said that songs were written by the guitar player then the drums and everything else is added.I dont think Led Zeppelins coda album was recorded that way.They used old drum tracks of johns to make some of that album.So your so wrong you dont even know it.

"Top jimmy rocks Top jimmy swings"Oh Jimmy" "Oh Jimmy"hes the king.

"Dont touch Jimmy,Keep your hands off of Jimmy"

[Edited on 8/4/2004 by Spidercents]

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Brian, he may be sloppy, but precision doesn't make you a great player :no:

Like my nomination of Jeff Buckley, not a shredder, but still a great player.

We need to get away from thinking of heavy metal shredding and playing fast in general as being good.
I think it's more about communicating with the listener/audience than technical proficiency.
But it's all a matter of opinion

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I havent bought any albert lee however I am going to.I think hes really good and I love that flashy twangy country lead guitar.Its excellent.I also think Ricky Scaggs is an excellent guitar player not to mention all the other instruments he plays.

Yeah Ricky Scaggs is great and very talented. Have you heard his Dobro Player Jerry Douglas whooo man that guy gets the job done right.

I talked with Jerry in Jonesboro TN a while back ago after 4th of july show. Very Down to earth.

I dont know much about the dobro.I know a few people that play it though.It sounds cool.I also think alan jacksons band sounds great.They have a dobro player dont they.Whats his name or are the guys in his band all studio musicans.There good enough to be.I like the older tunes buy alan jackson not the new ones.Steve warener is a good guitar player too isnt he.Jerry reed isnt bad either.

Its all horses for courses really. Jimmy Page and Led Zep were such diverse players, and they are rare in that the guitar isnt the major focal point of the bands music. It was a combination of the 4. Sometimes I dont even notice the guitar solos, as the magic of the 4 in full groove is too much.

Kashmir, my favourite led zeppelin song, doesnt even have a solo. One of THE great riffs, inventive bass and keyboard work from JPJ, Plant at his wailing best and Bonzo...headpoundingly great.

Battle of Evermore too- no solo. When the Levee breaks is another song where the guitar is just one component to the music.

Pagey could write a great solo (stairway, whole lotta love) and play really sloppy ones. But he is perhaps the greatest rock songwriter, because, fundamentally, he understood music and took many diverse interests in music. He was a huge blues and jazz fan, but love acoustic and folk music too. Not to mention the odd thunderous riff.

Not the best guitarist in the playing sense, but as he was the guitarist in rock's greatest ever band, surely he stands atop of the pile?

enegmatic_minstrel. even if i had hated jimmy page your post would have convinced me to become his biggest fan. dont forget about jimmys originality. i cant remeber the song but my friend has this zep dvd and jimmy is playing his guitar with a violin bow. BRILLIANT!

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Wes Montgomery a jazz player isn't sloppy how about Albert Lee a country player he isn't a sloppy player.... on and on...

You are who you listen to. If your into Jimmy you might be sloppy yourself, who knows we have never heard you play. I'm into notes that are in key and clean. Sloppy is for garage bands. If you can play with heart and feel and clean you da man. Anybody can stumble over notes. No pun intended. :giggly:

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I dont like sloppy guitar players.It shows that they havent botherd to put in the time on the instrument to become a clean player.Every one is sloppy when they dont practice or at least play for a while.If I dont play for a few weeks Im not as clean as if I been playing for hours everyday.Thats my opinion.So if you disagree ChrisC or telefreak you know where you can go.

where can we go?

Telefreak I knew that would get you going. :giggly:

Its payback for the lay off the drugs crack and the your full of poop remark.You pissed me off.So like the angry little shark that you are or might be I threw in some bait and it didnt take long for you to bite because thats what you are all about.Remarks like yours and like the one I just made should not be part of a friendly disscussion.And to question my spelling of words when your messages are full of spelling errors seems odd to me.

We can end it here if you back off on the personal attacks.

Dude, I don't care about your prob;ems with ChrisC, but if you talk crap I will tell you so.
If you take offence to that then you need to get out more and quit worrying about what complete strangers on a forum who you will never meet think of you.
Opinions are like arseholes, everyone's got one. :giggly:
Lighten up dude.

P.S. I don't really care what anyone thinks of me, I just speak my mind, anyones opinions just go over my head :whoosh:

If you don't like me, I can live with that, just don't bring other people down by arguing when you don't like what they have to say.
Brian and I may do a bit of sparring to wind eachother up, but it's all in good fun. Chill

P.S. Brian. EVH sucks :giggly:

I dont want to get in to it with you.If you dont care about my comments why did you responed.Maybe you should chill on the comments you make.Thats all im saying.sorry for the remark.I appologize.

WOW!!! A little hostility afoot?

Jimmy had imagination. He was a great song writer first, a player second. I think he had a bit of a drug problem, that may have added to his sloppy playing. In the early clips I've seen of the band he pretty tight and on. Later he did slip.

He's a fine player in my book.... I rate him a solid 4

I didnt like being told to lay off the drugs and that I was talking poop...Man this post is old...

I think jimmys studio work stands on its own...Excellent...His live playing was bad...Everyone always says its because of the drugs and or booze...How come they never say his creativity was from drugs and booze?...They always blame the negative on booze or drugs...What about the creativity it spawned?...Just say no to drugs kids.

[Edited on 10/23/2004 by Spidercents]

Yea, I feel there should be a bit of respect when posting on this forum.
I'm not pointing fingers at anyone...just a thought.
Everyone has opinions, it's up to all of us to respect this. You may, or may not agree with what someone says, but on the other hand we should all be somewhat respectful.
Although we may not know each other in the real world, we do communicate here, and as long as we communicate here we should keep it tame and plesant.
I mod another site, and if we have problems with people they are blocked for a week or two...some are banned.
Perhaps the forum mod here should take notice.

I agree about the having respect and keeping things civil...I dont believe in being ignorant(not saying any one was)just because you will never meet this person.As far as banning goes...The admin is doing a great job.He just exercised his views and opinions by banning a few/one person...That showed the character of this admin and I respect and agree with his or her views.

i think if u say jimmy page is sloppy and is not good live, then i think u might have a pole stuck through ur brain.....if u have seen the dvd they have put out, and have listened to his solo where it is just him playing.....he hits every note right...he's not sloppy at all.....but now im sure he probably is since he's around 60 yrs old now, but back when he was in his day, u can not tell me that that man doesnt deserve all the respect he can get

Ive already gone through this argument...there is no point in talking about poles through brains as we said in the last few posts of this thread after all the arguments before it...keep it civil.


I wouldnt go by the sound of a DVD as your souce of how good live he is...there is probably some studio wizardry going on in the editing process.

Ive been a fan of Jimmy's since I started playing guitar...Even then I knew his plying was not fluid...its choppy and I never know if he is going to pull it off however he does but he seems to struggle to do it.

Anyway there is no point in debating this any longer...their are people who view it your way and people who view it my way...whats the point of arguing over it now...not saying you are arguing however the pole through my brain was a good start however it will also be a good end...good day

i didnt mean to be mean....sorry if it sounded like that, but it's just my opinion....i can kind of see where ur coming from but, we all have our opinions...

personally I love pagey allround. For everything he has done. However i do agree his live playing can be extremely sloppy but i dont get it. Its like one second he is playing awseome live stuff and then a second later he is sooo slippery. but thats just my oppinion. But sompthing he made up his sloppiness for was his stage presence and the energy he produced. His songs (sloppy or not) had huge inpact in the guitar world and pagey haters are gonna have to face it becouse he is a guitar god! and hes not a god for no reason

Well Tony, I think Page had a bit of a drug problem. This was his downfall.
He was a great song writer and at times could play lights out. But the drugs pulled him down and didnt add to his stage presents.

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I'd have to agree with some of the posters here.

Studio playing was phenomenal. Extremely clever and inventive stuff. Kids nowadays who can actually appreciate talent, like Led Zepplin much more than the modern garbage bands of today.

Zepplin could actually play their instruments with skill and Robert Plant could actually sing. Compare that with today's no talent, no melody-capable players.

In concert, he slung his guitar too low for really good technique and tight playing and he was often chemically impaired. That didn't lead to good live playing.

Great inventive guitarist though.

Page, put alot of licks down on his way to the rockin roll hall of fame...LOL