Thread: Guitar Slinger- Hendrix
Forum: Guitar Slingers
Author: brian
brian - 5/4/2004 at 06:00

Thanks to Ricoboc for this great idea.
He will be our newest Forum Mod in this forum so give him a warm welcome.


Try to keep this forum nice and clean so people can learn. Some of the lessons in this forum will make it on the main page under Guitar Styles so try to make them professional as possible.

Ok I will start it off...... Let's do the king jimi hendrix first...

I can cheat a little beacause I have already did a couple guitar style lesson on Hendrix.

Check them out here:

Part 1.
http://www.theguitarfiles.com/guitarfile65.html

Part2.
http://www.theguitarfiles.com/guitarfile68.html

Hendrix Chord Changes
http://www.theguitarfiles.com/guitarfile47.html


Read his bio here
http://www.theguitarfiles.com/guitarfile8.html





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ricoboc - 5/4/2004 at 07:29

Should we stick with one player for the entire week...?
Also lets talk about style and get opinions....not just lessons.
Lets rate the players we discuss....say on a scale of 1 - 5...
I seen a forum on Jimmi already...I hope we arent all Jimmied out....If I was to rate Jimmi by todays standards I couldnt give him high marks....but as for what he has done...opened the door for all the feed back crazies...showed us an entire new way of approching the guitar.....I give him 4 1/2 stars.......
I believe we all know his styles of playing......so I wont get into that......


brian - 5/4/2004 at 13:51

Yeah maybe one guitarist every two weeks or possibly a month. This will allow enough time to really describe their style and have some lessons etc...

I would rate Jimi Hendrix overall as a #4.5 out of 5.

This guy had it all... The right tone,the right notes at the right time
and best of all he was just plain creative.

He was a little sloppy at times but this just added to his show on stage.

He also had awesome feel and some great signature guitar licks....

Listen to the beginning solo of All Along The Watchtower.....
This gives me the chills everytime I hear it. He's got the fuzzface maxed out along with his Marshall Plexis.....

Tune down a 1/2 step

Intro: All Along the Watchtower:

      
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|------------12------|----*--*--*--*--------*-----------------|
|----(4)---13--------|---14-14-14-14-------14-(14)-12---------|
|---------/----------|-------------------------------11-/-13--|
|--------------------|----------------------------------------|
|--------------------|----------------------------------------|
|--------------------|----------------------------------------|

~~~~~~~~
---------------------------------|---*---------*-----------------------|
---------------------------------|--11---11---11--------11-(11)--9-----|
-11---11---11---11-\------9--11--|---------------------------------11--|
---------------------/11---------|-------------------------------------|
---------------------------------|-------------------------------------|
---------------------------------|-------------------------------------|

There must be...
----____-----*------------*------|------------------------------------|-
----11/9----12------------12\----|--------------____------------------|-
---------9-------------------\---|--------------11/9------------------|-
------------------------------\--|-------------------9----------------|-
---------------------------------|----11-----------------9--9---7--7--|-
---------------------------------|--9---------------------------------|-


As you can see he loves the Blues Pentatonic scales.......

How would you rate Hendrix?
UMMMMMM Telefreak UMMMMMM GuitarSuccess Cough Cough...


Enigmatic_minstrel - 5/6/2004 at 22:11

I'm actually one of the few that isnt a fan of hendrix's blues playing.

I much prefer his crazy experimental jazzy acid rock! Which is much of the stuff on electric Ladyland. But then thats the fusion fan in me talking.

I think he gave energy to the electric guitar more than anything. Where as Clapton was head down, drifting slow solos, Hendrix added that fire, experimental quality.

I just wish he had the chance to jam with Miles Davis, because I think they were headed in the same direction, and that would have made some seriously intense music.

Hendrix, great blues guitarist? Nah.

first jazz rock genius? yup

Just my opinion (but its right )


Telefreak - 5/6/2004 at 22:31

ricoboc, you say that you don't rate Hendrix by todays standards, but where would todays guitarists be without him?
He grabbed rock by the crotch, dragged it down a dark alley way, and kicked the crap out of it.
He changed it forever


Guitar101 - 5/6/2004 at 22:35

Hendrix is still the most creative guitarist to date.......

Others just followed...copied........




retrospex - 5/7/2004 at 03:51

Strats through cranked Marshalls..I believe he was one of the first to do this..."Wind Cries Mary"...oh so good


ricoboc - 5/7/2004 at 06:40

Telefreak,
I gave Hendrix 4.5 because he did open the doors for all to walk through. I stand by what I said. Hendrix falls short by todays standards.
Not everyone followed the Hendrix path...many 90,s players were inspired by classical music "Nicoli Paganini " Violin virtuoso...Malmsteen copped his chops and so did many others....
Hendix was an innovator....I I did give him credit.....
Many of 90's players tried to stay as far from blues based rock as they could and beat a new path....
Ala sweeping arpeggios...which you would never hear in a Hendrix song...
He was what he was....I say lets move on.....

O.K I put on my padding....have at me..... :gunman:
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Enigmatic_minstrel - 5/7/2004 at 07:42

I like Telefreak's idea of Hendrix the East End Bruiser boy. "Oi rock! I'm gonna nut ya mate! HAVE IT"

But if you do want proof of Hendrix's importance, check out every year's G3 concert, they always finish by jamming at least one hendrix song, even Yngwie!

Hendrix was one of the first to embrace new technology, and experiment with new sounds.

While I'm not sure how much of his playing and licks were strictly original, (T-Bone walker was doing the behind the head, playing with tongue while drinking a pint stunts before Hendrix), Wes Montgomery obviously inspired his octaves and chordal work, and Clapton's bluesbreakers album came out before Are you experienced.

However, like any great guitarist, he took what had gone before and supercharged them, and fused them into his own playing.

All great guitarists have a diversity of influences- thats what makes them unique.

But I still think he sucks as a blues player :praying:


brian - 5/7/2004 at 13:43

Keep in mind everything Hendrix did was in a 4 year period....

He came from Mars messed with our heads and went away.........


Enigmatic_minstrel - 5/7/2004 at 14:46

I think that is the problem I have with Hendrix. It seemed that he was about to push out and go in the direction he really wanted to, (check out the First Rays of the New rising sun album, which is fantastic) but he was cut down before he had the chance to go there.

I feel that the songs he is best known for aren't really representative of the kind of music Hendrix wanted to make. He was far more than the blues, or "Hey Joe" or "purple haze".

Dammit, why could'nt he of hooked up with Miles Davis before he died/went back to Mars!!!!


GuitarMuscle - 5/7/2004 at 14:51

If Hendrix was still here he wouldn't be as popular

You got to die to be really great.

Guitar Muscle


Telefreak - 5/8/2004 at 00:51

quote:
However, like any great guitarist, he took what had gone before and supercharged them, and fused them into his own playing.

All great guitarists have a diversity of influences- thats what makes them unique.


Thats my point entirely, thanks Enigmatic Minstrel.

How many guitarists can truly say that they have done that, there have been no GREAT innovators since Hendrix, merely guitarists who can do Hendrix faster than Hendrix. The genius has gone. Hendrix has left the building.

Just because you can play faster and more accurately than Hendrix, doesn't make you better.

Steve Vai, although an amzing technical guitarist, can't write songs for toffee, hence my original statement


ricoboc - 5/8/2004 at 05:31

You do realize Buddy Guy was playing almost the same style as Hendrix at the same time...

And to be honest....I dont hear anyone trying to be like Hendrix these days ....maybe I listen to an entire different field of players....

Also , their have been many inovators....I dont recall Hendix finger tapping....I dont recall Hendix sweeping arppegios...I dont recall Hendix utilizing alternate picking....should I go on.....?

He was what he was...but the giutar did not start nor stop with Hendrix...it will always evolve...

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Enigmatic_minstrel - 5/8/2004 at 08:49

While I don't agree that Steve Vai can't write, (I believe him to be the last true innovator) I agree with Telefreak's point- most of the time, modern guitarists do just speed up Hendrix licks.

Ricoboc, Jazz players have been using arpeggios for a long time, John McLaughlin emerged at a similiar time to Hendrix and arguably pionneered alternate picking. Malmsteen, Gilbert just speeded up everything, and stole alot from Blackmore and YES.

Tapping was one true innovation, but everything in music is a development on what has gone before.


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ricoboc - 5/8/2004 at 10:49

Exactly...Al DiMeola is my all time inspiration....Steve Morse and The Dixie Dregs stuff...Steve Vai is also a huge inspiration....I feel FOR THE LOVE OF GOD is a fine example of song writing....and it sure wasnt Hendix inspired....

And that was exactly my point....The guitar did not start nor stop with Hendrix....it will always evolve...

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Enigmatic_minstrel - 5/8/2004 at 11:11

No-one disagrees with that, but we are arguing that some guitarists are more significant in the process of that evolution. Hendrix, for whatever abilities he had is the major influence for the majority of rock guitarists. The reason people like Vai, Di Meola are so different is that they didnt limit themselves to just Hendrix, much like Hendrix didnt limit himself to just buddy guy.

Hendrix was the turning point in rock'n'roll guitar.


ricoboc - 5/8/2004 at 11:21

That he was...no argument here.....thats why I gave him a high ranking......


ricoboc - 5/8/2004 at 11:25

Players such as VanHalen say they never listened to any rock guitar players for inspiration ( At least not much) Eddie sites Blackmore as an influence who inturn was influenced heavily by Jimmi...so the circle goes around.


Enigmatic_minstrel - 5/8/2004 at 12:21

So basically everyone agrees with each other (kind of)!

Van Halen said in an interview that he learnt every Clapton solo when he was young, and it was Van Halen that got Allan Holdsworth a record deal. Van Halen also loved the band Ten Years After, covering some of their songs when they were doing the pubs. Van Halen's Dad was a musician (some brass instrument, I cant remember which one) so Eddie got those influences- pretty varied, wouldnt you say!

Steve Vai is another- grew up on Hendrix and Jimmy Page, took lessons from Satriani, got into Frank Zappa and Alice Cooper, went to Berkeley and studied some Jazz theory, loves Wes Montgomery and Danny Gatton, and listens to Prince. Also pretty varied, and he is another great player.

Moral of the story seems to be to listen to as much music as possible, and to try and take everything that is useful from it.


ricoboc - 5/8/2004 at 20:26

I truly believe Eddie was the second turnning point.....playing really took a shift after Eddie arrived....as far as rock guitar goes...

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DoubleTrouble - 7/2/2006 at 21:52

SRV JIMI ROCKS

Jimi Hendrix is alot like SRV I like both of there music.


tattoo - 7/10/2006 at 01:07

Jimi Hendrix is alot like SRV I like both of there music.

You mean SRV is alot like Hendrix. Ummmm


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